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	<title>Comments on: VZ installing fiber, yanking out copper</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.shoutingloudly.com/2007/07/10/vz-installing-fiber-yanking-out-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow; a real comment from the founder and director of a real telecom policy group. Excuse me as I geek out. Thanks, Robert, for the far more subtle description of the regulatory landscape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow; a real comment from the founder and director of a real telecom policy group. Excuse me as I geek out. Thanks, Robert, for the far more subtle description of the regulatory landscape.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cannon</title>
		<link>http://www.shoutingloudly.com/2007/07/10/vz-installing-fiber-yanking-out-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While your large point is of concern - I think there is some confusion on sum minor points.

You say &quot;Want to go back to Ma Bell? Too late.&quot; Verizon is Ma Bell; well, Verizon is Baby Bell - Ma Bell technically no longer exists.  AT&amp;T was broken up in an antitrust suit in 1984 http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/att_antitrust.htm  AT&amp;T Ma Bell became AT&amp;T long distance and a bunch of baby bells - some of which merged together and is now named Verizon.  And Verizon only provides FiOS in Verizon territory - so if you are unhappy with Verizon FiOS, you can certainly go back to Verizon (just not over copper).

Finally, you say &quot;so pulling the copper cuts Verizon&#039;s obligations as a common carrier.&quot;  Not quite.  Pulling the copper cuts Verizon&#039;s obligations to unbundle the copper as a Unbundled Network Element http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/une.htm and sell it to other competitive telephone companies. --- but this is not the same as being a common carrier.  This is a specific obligation created by the Telecom Act of 1996.  Verizon telephone still has to act like a common carrier in the traditional meaning of the term (fair rates and non discrimination with regard to customers and content - and interconnection).

What I am saying is this - people confuse title II of the Communications Act (where the UNE obligations are) with common carriage.  Common carriage is the greater set that includes boats, trains, telephone, telegraph, mail - with telephone service being the smaller set.  Title II of the Comm Act are the obligations specifically on telephone carriers as created by the FCC.  Specific obligations can be removed - and the company is still a common carrier - as Verizon is.

Any who - chopping the copper is an interesting situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While your large point is of concern &#8211; I think there is some confusion on sum minor points.</p>
<p>You say &#8220;Want to go back to Ma Bell? Too late.&#8221; Verizon is Ma Bell; well, Verizon is Baby Bell &#8211; Ma Bell technically no longer exists.  AT&amp;T was broken up in an antitrust suit in 1984 <a href="http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/att_antitrust.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/att_antitrust.htm</a>  AT&amp;T Ma Bell became AT&amp;T long distance and a bunch of baby bells &#8211; some of which merged together and is now named Verizon.  And Verizon only provides FiOS in Verizon territory &#8211; so if you are unhappy with Verizon FiOS, you can certainly go back to Verizon (just not over copper).</p>
<p>Finally, you say &#8220;so pulling the copper cuts Verizon&#8217;s obligations as a common carrier.&#8221;  Not quite.  Pulling the copper cuts Verizon&#8217;s obligations to unbundle the copper as a Unbundled Network Element <a href="http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/une.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/une.htm</a> and sell it to other competitive telephone companies. &#8212; but this is not the same as being a common carrier.  This is a specific obligation created by the Telecom Act of 1996.  Verizon telephone still has to act like a common carrier in the traditional meaning of the term (fair rates and non discrimination with regard to customers and content &#8211; and interconnection).</p>
<p>What I am saying is this &#8211; people confuse title II of the Communications Act (where the UNE obligations are) with common carriage.  Common carriage is the greater set that includes boats, trains, telephone, telegraph, mail &#8211; with telephone service being the smaller set.  Title II of the Comm Act are the obligations specifically on telephone carriers as created by the FCC.  Specific obligations can be removed &#8211; and the company is still a common carrier &#8211; as Verizon is.</p>
<p>Any who &#8211; chopping the copper is an interesting situation.</p>
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